Saturday, August 29, 2009

Teddy Liked to Joke About Chappaquiddick

We can just imagine: “did you hear the one about this chick I downed?”



Anonymous Chris said...

Since Teddy was able to locate the humor in a tragic event, I'm sure he would have found this to be a real knee-slapper:

1:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this the same Ed Klein who wrote that widely (and quite easily) discredited book on Hillary Clinton? Why, yes it is.

I encourage any thoughtful readers of this blog to look into who this Ed Klein guy actually is. (Just Google him.) It turns out there is a lot of evidence for thinking that he is not much more than a political hit-man.

He, of course, has no first-hand knowledge whatsoever of Kennedy's liking Chappaquiddick jokes. He is not family friend or a confidant. In his recent Vanity Fair article, he repeatedly appeals to anonymous sources, saying things like "a family friend said ...."; yet he never provides a name.

So there is no way of knowing whether it is true or just more hate from the right. Given his history I think there is reason for doubt.

p.s. Let me just write the response from JM because I know how it works around here: "Your belief that Ed Klein is a hack just shows how much YOU are biased and thus unable see the truth. This just reinforces my point that liberals are so clueless that they can't even see obvious truths about the world [such as that Democrats want to kill your grandma]."

12:02 AM  
Blogger John McAdams said...


Edward Klein is Former foreign editor of Newsweek and former editor-in-chief of The New York Times Magazine.

That doesn't sound like "just a hack."

And he was appearing on "The Diane Rehm Show." You know, liberal NPR.

Further, the tone of the interview is adulatory.

As for using anonymous sources: that is pretty common in journalism, since a lot of sources don't want their names used.

P.S. AS for the "Democrats wanting to kill your grandmother:" the Democrats (although those who have to stand for election wouldn't admit it) do want to ration care, denying care to certain people.

Ever hear of Ezekiel Emanuel?

And how do you think Obama is going to reduce Medicare spending by a half trillion dollars?

9:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Here is Ed Morrisey from the right-wing Captain's Quarters blog on Ed Klein's recent book on Hillary Clinton:

"On the other hand, it's one of those have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife allegations that put the Clintons in an impossible position. Now that the smear has been made public, how exactly are they supposed to prove otherwise? Who would think that an author would someday require them to prove how their child was conceived? It's a cowardly accusation -- and note that the former Newsweek foreign editor (and former NY Times Magazine editor-in-chief) uses an anonymous source for his authentication....

If this is the level of professionalism we can expect from former Newsweek editors, small wonder we end up with Qu'ran-flushing frauds from the magazine now. Whether Ed Klein absorbed the Newsweek standards for sourcing and newsworthiness during his tenure or set those standards himself, the two are not unrelated. And regardless of whether Hillary or the Bush administration gets targeted by these reckless, irresponsible, and repulsive attacks, the public should respond by denying them their payday."

It is nice to see that some right-wingers can be intellectually honest.

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Yes, I have heard of Ezekiel Emanuel. That's the guy who is against euthanasia and in favor of living wills who certain Republicans, such as Betsy McCaughey, Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin misrepresent as someone who supports euthanasia and killing grandma by rationing.

I mean jeez, this stuff is really easy to refute if you have access to a computer. Let me know if you need the links, but I would think that a Poli Sci PhD would at least occasionally do his homework.

Certainly, your more thoughtful, less ideologically driven readers could find out who Emanuel is and what he has actually said. For links to his actual words, you could start at:

You could also go to or

5:26 PM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

Yes, I have heard of Ezekiel Emanuel

Then perhaps you could explain how this article somehow misrepresents what he thinks?

Just because something is called a "fact check" doesn't mean it's really factual.

2:35 PM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

Yes, I have heard of Ezekiel Emanuel

By the way, I did just check Emanuel out on and on Wikipedia, and the former avoids the issues entirely, making excuses for him as a "philosopher."

The latter quotes him extensively and in context, and yes, he said what McCaughey said he said.

2:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, I implore your thoughtful readers to actually look at the texts, which can be found IN CONTEXT at

In one case in the McCaughey article (about dementia patients not being promised resources), McCaughy takes some comments which are clearly (at least should be to an academic) an explanation of a trend in bioethics and assumes they are expressions of Ezekiel's views. So yes, you are right: they are his words; it's just that they are taken completely out of context.

The second charge about rationing is meant to offer an account of how scarce resources such as vaccines and organs should be allocated. Like it or not, decisions about this have to be made whether or not we alter our present system because there are not enough organs to go around. I.e., WE ARE RATIONING NOW. For example, people who need livers or kidneys but have HEP C are less likely to get an organ than others. That's simply the way it is right now.

Am I missing some charge from the article you think I should address?

Finally, it is telling that Ezekiel himself explicitly repudiates the (mis)interpretation of his words by McCaughey. If he actually held these sorts of views, as someone like Peter Singer does, he would probably not run away from them as he does (and as Peter Singer does not).

Now of course you can (and probably will), like any good conspiracy theorist, say well of course he repudiates them; he doesn't want anyone to know until it is too late--he's just a liar. (Birthers, Truthers, Area 51ers, etc. can only keep their belief systems alive by assuming that some people are lying.) And that's what I hear from these protesters when they are informed about the facts of the current proposals: Obama's a liar. Okay. But if that's your starting point, your basic assumption, then don't pretend to be contributing to any sort of debate about solving problems in this country.

5:41 PM  

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