Tuesday, November 23, 2010

Witchhunt: Global Warming Believers Attack and Threaten Skeptics

This is not new, but we just ran across it. From Climate Depot, an account of how a blogger at Talking Points Memo asked “At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers. . . . Shouldn’t we start punishing them now?”

A public appeal has been issued by an influential U.S. website asking: “At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers.” The appeal appeared on Talking Points Memo, an often cited website that helps set the agenda for the political Left in the U.S. The anonymous posting, dated June 2, 2009, referred to dissenters of man-made global warming fears as “greedy bastards” who use “bogus science or the lowest scientists in the gene pool” to “distort data.”

The Talking Points Memo article continues: “So when the right wing fucktards have caused it to be too late to fix the problem, and we start seeing the devastating consequences and we start seeing end of the World type events - how will we punish those responsible. It will be too late. So shouldn’t we start punishing them now?”

The article also claims the “vast majority” of scientists agree that man-made warming “can do an untold amount of damage to life on Earth.”

The full text of the Talking Points Memo is reproduced below:

(Note: The entry is posted under the anonymous byline “The Insolent Braggart”)

At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers

June 2, 2009, 9:42PM

What is so frustrating about these fools is that they are the politicians and greedy bastards who don’t want a cut in their profits who use bogus science or the lowest scientists in the gene pool who will distort data for a few bucks. The vast majority of the scientific minds in the World agree and understand it’s a very serious problem that can do an untold amount of damage to life on Earth.

So when the right wing fucktards have caused it to be too late to fix the problem, and we start seeing the devastating consequences and we start seeing end of the World type events - how will we punish those responsible. It will be too late. So shouldn’t we start punishing them now?
We are happy to report that the blogger in question repented and apologized. Unfortunately, some things are hard to take back. The fact that you said it in the first place is damning. Further, the retraction seemed to be because (in the blogger’s words) “I did true harm to this site, as well as the cause of global warming research.”

Would he have repented if his tirade had helped the movement?

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg (so to speak). Some of the other goodies include:

Climate Depot Editor’s Note:

The Talking Points Memo appeal to execute skeptics is not unique. As the science behind man-made global warming fears utterly collapses, many of the biggest promoters of the theory and environmental activists are growing increasingly desperate. Looming Question: If the promoters of man-made climate fears truly believed the “debate is over” and the science is “settled,” why is there such a strong impulse to shut down debate and threaten those who disagree?

Small sampling of threats, intimidation and censorship:

NASA’s James Hansen has called for trials of climate skeptics in 2008 for “high crimes against humanity.”

Environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. lashed out at skeptics in 2007, declaring “This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors”

In 2009, RFK, Jr. also called coal companies “criminal enterprises” and declared CEOs “should be in jail... for all of eternity.”

In June 2009, former Clinton Administration official Joe Romm defended a comment on his Climate Progress website warning skeptics would be strangled in their beds. “An entire generation will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds,” stated the remarks, which Romm defended by calling them “not a threat, but a prediction.”

In 2006, the eco-magazine Grist called for Nuremberg-Style trials for skeptics.

In 2008, Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki called for government leaders skeptical of global warming to be thrown “into jail.”

In 2007, The Weather Channel’s climate expert called for withholding certification of skeptical meteorologists.

A 2008 report found that “climate blasphemy” is replacing traditional religious blasphemy. In addition, a July 2007 Senate report detailed how skeptical scientists have faced threats and intimidation.

In 2007, then EPA Chief Vowed to Probe E-mail Threatening to “Destroy” Career of Climate Skeptic and dissenters of warming fears have been called “Climate Criminals” who are committing “Terracide” (killing of Planet Earth) (July 25, 2007)

In addition, in May 2009, Climate Depot Was Banned in Louisiana! See: State official sought to “shut down” climate skeptic’s testimony at hearing.

Below are many more examples of the threats, name calling and intimidation skeptics have faced in recent times.

November 12, 2007: UN official warns ignoring warming would be “criminally irresponsible” Excerpt: The U.N.’s top climate official warned policymakers and scientists trying to hammer out a landmark report on climate change that ignoring the urgency of global warming would be “criminally irresponsible.” Yvo de Boer’s comments came at the opening of a weeklong conference that will complete a concise guide on the state of global warming and what can be done to stop the Earth from overheating.

September 29. 2007: VA State Climatologist skeptical of global warming loses job after clash with Governor: “I was told that I could not speak in public” Excerpt: Michaels has argued that the climate is becoming warmer but that the consequences will not be as dire as others have predicted. Gov. Kaine had warned. Michaels not to use his official title in discussing his views. “I resigned as Virginia state climatologist because I was told that I could not speak in public on my area of expertise, global warming, as state climatologist,” Michaels said in a statement this week provided by the libertarian Cato Institute, where he has been a fellow since 1992. “It was impossible to maintain academic freedom with this speech restriction.” (LINK)

Skeptical State Climatologist in Oregon has title threatened by Governor (February 8, 2007) Excerpt: “[State Climatologist George Taylor] does not believe human activities are the main cause of global climate change...So the [Oregon] governor wants to take that title from Taylor and make it a position that he would appoint. In an exclusive interview with KGW-TV, Governor Ted Kulongoski confirmed he wants to take that title from Taylor.

Skeptical State Climatologist in Delaware silenced by Governor (May 2, 2007) Excerpt: Legates is a state climatologist in Delaware, and he teaches at the university. He`s not part of the mythical climate consensus. In fact, Legates believes that we oversimplify climate by just blaming greenhouse gases. One day he received a letter from the governor, saying his views do not concur with those of the administration, so if he wants to speak out, it must be as an individual, not as a state climatologist. So essentially, you can have the title of state climatologist unless he`s talking about his views on climate?

October 28, 2008: License to dissent: “Internet should be nationalized as a public utility to combat global warming skepticism - Australian Herald Sun - Excerpt: British journalism lecturer and warming alarmist Alex Lockwood says my blog is a menace to the planet. Skeptical bloggers like me need bringing into line, and Lockwood tells a journalism seminar of some options: There is clearly a need for research into the ways in which climate skepticism online is free to contest scientific fact. But there is enough here already to put forward some of the ideas in circulation. One of the founders of the Internet Vint Cerf, and lead for Google’s Internet for Everyone project, made a recent suggestion that the Internet should be nationalized as a public utility. As tech policy blogger Jim Harper argues, “giving power over the Internet to well-heeled interests and self-interested politicians” is, and I quote, “a bad idea.” Or in the UK every new online publication could be required to register with the recently announced Internet watchdog...

November 5, 2008: UK Scientist: “BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE” – UK Daily Express
Excerpt: FOR YEARS David Bellamy was one of the best known faces on TV. A respected botanist and the author of 35 books, he had presented around 400 programmes over the years and was appreciated by audiences for his boundless enthusiasm. Yet for more than 10 years he has been out of the limelight, shunned by bosses at the BBC where he made his name, as well as fellow scientists and environmentalists. His crime? Bellamy says he doesn’t believe in man-made global warming. Here he reveals why – and the price he has paid for not toeing the orthodox line on climate change.

U.N. official says it’s “completely immoral” to doubt global warming fears (May 10, 2007)
Excerpt: UN special climate envoy Dr. Gro Harlem Brundtland declared “it’s completely immoral, even, to question” the UN’s scientific “consensus.”

Former US Vice President Al Gore compared global warming skeptics to people who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona”
(June 20, 2006)

Gore Refuses to Hear Skeptical Global Warming Views (Video)

UK environment secretary David Miliband said “those who deny [climate change] are the flat-Earthers of the twenty-first century.”(October 6, 2006)

Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

(January 17, 2007) Excerpt: The Weather Channel’s most prominent climatologist is advocating that broadcast meteorologists be stripped of their scientific certification if they express skepticism about predictions of manmade catastrophic global warming. This latest call to silence skeptics follows a year (2006) in which skeptics were compared to “Holocaust Deniers” and Nuremberg-style war crimes trials were advocated by several climate alarmists.

Barone: Warmists have “a desire to kill heretics” -- Calls for capital punishment for “global warming deniers” - DC Examiner - June 9, 2009

Strangle Skeptics in Bed! “An entire generation will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds” - June 5, 2009

In theory, none of this proves that anthropogenic global warming isn’t happening. After all, fanatics are sometimes right.

But in reality, fanaticism makes us doubt the empirical judgments of the fanatics. It makes us suspect that they are driven by some inner lust for righteousness, purity and orthodoxy that distorts their assessments of facts.

Add to this the fact that people who are confident of their position generally seek discussion and debate, and tolerate people who have different views.

Obviously, not all believers in anthropogenic global warming are fanatics. A lot are simply people who go along with what they have been told.

But the fanatics are not marginal figures (see above). A movement that creates such fanaticism has to be viewed with skepticism.

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6 Comments:

Blogger Dad29 said...

Seems to me that the skeptics would be well-advised to take the 2nd Amendment VERY seriously.

9:14 AM  
Anonymous Chris said...

John,

It's laughable that you're citing a blog post from Climate Depot's Marc Morano considering his record of harassment against climate scientists who accept AGW as well as urging violence towards them:

http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/15/uk-guardian-slams-morano-for-cyber-bullying-and-for-urging-violence-against-climate-scientists/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WvasALL-hw#t=1m6s

You linked to a piece by Morano in another post. I cited the first link above and challenged you to condemn his thuggish tactics, just as I condemn anyone on my side who threatens climate denialists with violence and/or imprisonment, but you refused to do so.

I'll give you another opportunity now. Are you going to be intellectually consistent and condemn Morano? If not, why should anyone take you seriously on this issue?

While I'm here, I might as well re-post these for the sake of balance:

Lord Monckton: Shut Down the UN, Jail Al Gore

"Appearing on The Alex Jones Show yesterday, Lord Christopher Monckton went further than ever before in his vehement opposition to the elitists running the climate change scam, calling for the UN to be shut down and for fraudulent peddlers of global warming propaganda like Al Gore to be arrested and criminally prosecuted."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/lord-monckton-shut-down-the-un-arrest-the-warmist-criminals.html

The Telegraph's James Delingpole wrote that "we need a 'Global Warming' Nuremberg" targeting prominent supporters of AGW (Al Gore, George Soros, Bill Gates, Barack Obama, etc.)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/

Leading climate scientists who accept AGW have received hate e-mails that included death threats.

Michael Mann received an e-mail that included the following:

"Six feet under with the roots is where you should be. I was hoping I would see the news that you'd committed suicide. Do it, freak."

Phil Jones told of receiving e-mail death threats and admitted that he had contemplated suicide:

"People said I should go and kill myself," he said. "They said that they knew where I lived. They were coming from all over the world."

"Another climate scientist, who wished to remain anonymous, said he had had a dead animal dumped on his doorstep and now travels with bodyguards."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/05/hate-mail-climategate

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Chris said...

Seems to me that the skeptics would be well-advised to take the 2nd Amendment VERY seriously.

Climate scientist Stephen Schneider -- who ACCEPTED AGW -- died of a heart attack earlier this year.

The following is from his obituary in the Washington Post:

His passionate views on the climate debate occasionally attracted vitriol from extremist groups. An FBI investigation recently found he was named on a neo-Nazi "death list," and Dr. Schneider said he received hundreds of hate e-mails a day.

"What do I do? Learn to shoot a magnum? Wear a bulletproof jacket?" Dr. Schneider said. "I have now had extra alarms fitted at my home, and my address is unlisted."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/19/AR2010071905108.html

2:12 PM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

It's laughable that you're citing a blog post from Climate Depot's Marc Morano considering his record of harassment against climate scientists who accept AGW as well as urging violence towards them:

The blog post could have come from the Devil himself, and the information would still be true.

I clicked through to the primary sources in every case.

And of course, you haven't disputed that any part of the post it true.

That's what happens when you divide humanity into believers and heretics. Opinions of heretics are to be ignored. Indeed factual information coming from heretics is to be ignored, since they are . . . after all, hetetics.

As for your list of things done to climate change advocates: those are all deplorable.

But the nasty statements I posted -- directed at climate change skeptics -- are from powerful and important people.

The grungy types like like the folks who do the "neo-Nazi 'death list'" have little power.

Are you going to be intellectually consistent and condemn Morano? If not, why should anyone take you seriously on this issue?

If he did what you said, that's deplorable.

Now: are you going to condemn all the statements from global warming believers quoted in my blog post.

And if not, why should anybody take you seriously?

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Chris said...

Now: are you going to condemn all the statements from global warming believers quoted in my blog post.

And if not, why should anybody take you seriously?


I already condemned them in my original comment (as well as in a more general sense in comments from a previous thread):

QUOTE ON

I cited the first link above and challenged you to condemn his thuggish tactics, just as I condemn anyone on my side who threatens climate denialists with violence and/or imprisonment, but you refused to do so.

QUOTE OFF

I've been extremely consistent on this issue.

I'm glad to see you finally condemning those on your own side who are guilty of this kind of thuggish behavior.

"Factual information"? All I hear from your side are factoids (like that nonsense about Greenland once being green) and, of course, plenty of quote mining. People who have the facts on their side don't have to rely on factoids and quote mines to make their arguments.

For future reference:

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php

But the nasty statements I posted -- directed at climate change skeptics -- are from powerful and important people.

Cuccinelli and Inhofe are "powerful and important" and they were clearly abusing their positions. If they had had their way, several leading climate scientists would have gone to jail or at least had their careers destroyed.

Morano is not without power considering his strong ties to Inhofe and other influential Republicans. You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that Morano is an enabler in that he stirs up hostility towards climate scientists who accept AGW and then posts their e-mail addresses on his site knowing full well what's going to happen (i.e. inboxes overflowing with hateful messages and death threats). Morano is a vile human being.

Monckton is another "skeptic" whose influence shouldn't be underestimated as he was an adviser (although not a science adviser, as is often claimed by his supporters, including Michael Coren) to Margaret Thatcher, and is a darling of the anti-science right.

6:20 PM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

cited the first link above and challenged you to condemn his thuggish tactics, just as I condemn anyone on my side who threatens climate denialists with violence and/or imprisonment, but you refused to do so.

No, I posted this:

As for your list of things done to climate change advocates: those are all deplorable.

All I hear from your side are factoids (like that nonsense about Greenland once being green)

I think you are distorting this to create a straw man.

Nobody thinks the entire island was lush and green. But it apparently had some inhabitable parts (presumably in the south and on the shore) that are now frozen over.

Cuccinelli and Inhofe are "powerful and important" and they were clearly abusing their positions.

I don't know who Cuccinelli is, but Inhofe is merely a senator who holds a position you consider heretical.

At any rate, I'm closing this discussion off. This exchange has gotten to be more like a religious feud than a discussion of a public policy issue.

11:06 PM  

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