Monday, April 02, 2012

The Ugly Face of Atheism

Warning: Extremely Offensive Language



From the “Reason Rally” (read: atheist rally): one of the performers, apparently allowed to perform by the event organizers. In other words, not a street performer at the fringe of the event.

This, of course, is not your typical atheist, nor your median atheist. But the crowd seems pretty enthusiastic.

But it is a reminder that atheists have their own equivalents of the Westboro Baptist Church. But then that merrie band of bigots would not be given any official place in any Christian event organized by anybody but themselves.

And the reader might go to YouTube to see appreciative comments from secularists.

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11 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suffered through that whole video until the end, when it becomes clear that his point is that if you are morally outraged about the word mother-f*%$ and not about the fact that for years the church has been protecting pedophiles and sexual predators, then you ought re-examine your system of morality.

Annoying way of making the point, I admit, but actually not just your usual pointless vitriol either.

By the way, when these guys start protesting at funerals of dead U.S. soldiers and claiming that religion is to blame for natural disasters, then I'll start to entertain the aptness of comparing them with Westboro Babtist Church.

You're pointing to one foul-mouthed guy, a basically uncomfortable looking audience, and some percentage of a total 24 comments (when I just looked) to support this point. Weak.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Belief in God or not, these people are sick. How can one justify so much hate even if they have a fundamental difference of opinion? Isn't that what so many atheists say about organized religion? That the "religionists" impose their beliefs on those that don't believe and create pain and suffering for them if they don't believe. Hate them?

In fact, their can be no justification of this kind of display among civilized people no matter you're difference. All are due respect - believers and non-believers alike. Even the Pope. I know it because Jesus said so. Obviously, no one is teaching these people that basic concept of life.

Those that sang this song, clapped along and left positive YouTube comments are sick, sick, sick.

I thought it was only Republicans that were so hate-filled.

12:58 PM  
Anonymous scott said...

Frankly I expected something much worse after reading your post. Anonymous comment #1 summarized the theme of the song pretty accurately, I think, and I have no problem with it. It in no way is appropriate to compare this fellow to Westboro Baptist Church. It isn't much different than what one can hear watching a Monty Python film.

I don't see hate. I see satire. And if there's anger with it, I encourage you to reflect on the pattern of child abuse and coverups that the man is singing about. I'm angry. Why aren't you?

8:12 PM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

Interesting that we have a couple of posters who will defend this kind of vile hate.

One calls it "anger."

Anger is different from hate, and this is hate.

"Anger" is a word used to justify hate.

10:20 PM  
Anonymous scott said...

I'd rather defend that guy's song than the Catholic church's actions regarding child sexual abuse and its cover up. Wouldn't you?

11:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not so sure I see what's so bad about hating the hypocrisy and immorality of sheltering sexual predators while at the same time preaching love, forgiveness and care of the weak and helpless.

12:32 AM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

I'd rather defend that guy's song than the Catholic church's actions regarding child sexual abuse and its cover up.

Why would anybody want to defend either?

11:09 PM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

hating the hypocrisy and immorality of sheltering sexual predators

OK, defend raw hatred.

You are just continuing to make my point for me.

11:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know what adding the word "raw" does to make your point. I am perfectly comfortable saying that the actions of those to whom parents entrusted their children were loathsome, and that insofar as there were officials in the church who protected the abusers and not the abused performed actions that were loathsome. Yes, I despise those actions. Does that make me a "raw" hater? I don't really know. If what you mean by adding "raw" is that my attitude is unreasonable or rooted in bias, then you are having reading comprehension problems, since I mentioned the specific actions that I find loathsome. If "raw" just means intense, then yes, I have an intensely negative attitude towards abuse-protectors. (And really, if I have to DEFEND that attitude to you, then you shoudl take a good long look at your own thinking about right and wrong.) In any event, you should feel free to explain what you mean by "raw" in this context.

If you are having a really hard time with this, just think about the way you feel about feminists. Whatever that feeling of disgust and loathing you feel is, that's what I feel about the actions of the abuser protectors. If you don't want to call that "hatred" or "raw hatred", we can call it whatever YOU want to call it.

But your attitudes about feminism clearly go way beyond some sort of intellectual disagreement and into the realm of something more "raw" and emotional. So stop acting like you don't understand the feeling I am expressing about the actions of the abuser protectors.

If I am making your point, then your posts about feminists make a very good point about your hypocrisy in railing against the very same sort of attitude you have towards people you dislike.

3:18 AM  
Blogger John McAdams said...

Anonymous,

I've never used toward feminists the kind of language the fellow in the video used.

Do I dislike feminists, at least the kind found in humanities departments? Yes. Do I express that kind of raw hatred toward them? No.

There is a difference between critiquing and criticizing people you disagree with, and just going "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you."

11:01 PM  
Anonymous Scott said...

Nice post which when these guys start protesting at funerals of dead U.S. soldiers and claiming that religion is to blame for natural disasters, then I'll start to entertain the aptness of comparing them with Westboro Babtist Church. In which the fact that for years the church has been protecting pedophiles and sexual predators, then you ought re examine your system of morality. Thanks a lot for posting this article.

11:59 AM  

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